Game 4, white
19.Re1
Commentary for white move 19:
AUDIENCE MEMBER: If they had said -- or you said that they were
programmed -- they would program Deep Blue to play against
Kasparov's style. Now, if -- you said that they would have
played -- that they would have programmed Deep Blue to play
against Kasparov's style. Now, after the first match, wouldn't
they have seen that Kasparov plays differently against the
computer and therefore tried to program the computer to not
only play against his normal style, but against the style that
he plays against computers?
DB MOVE: 19 Re1 circumstances before I answer that question,
I'll give myself a pat on the back for guessing the last move.
The move Rh1-e1 has been played.
MIKE VALVO: There were little hints that they would do that.
They imagined all the wild, unimaginable things that Kasparov
might try for this match and they tried to program for them
all. But they didn't get them all. You know, if you consider
what happened in the previous game, yesterday's game, the
computer was on its own early. Now, in this game the computer
was on its own early, but went back into book. Garry wasn't
completely successful in getting back into book. But yesterday
they were out of book for about three of moves, they were out
of the book for the rest of the game. And the computer did
things it didn't actually do, too, it wanted to play d5 but it
played d6 ultimately. It could have taken advantage of Garry's
opening by doing something different by fianchettoing the
king-side but it didn't. He was aware of that, they weren't
able to counter it because they didn't April this particular
order of moves. So this is going to go on. If there's another
match, this is going to continue, a cat-and-house kind of
thing. Garry is going to try to anticipate where are the
positions the computer plays badly. And how does he know
that? He has various microcomputers, and he tests them out.
He wants to know what are computers going to do. And this you
could do at home with your own computers. If I did something
strange how is the computer going to reply. That's all he did.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Eventually doesn't it just become -- to have it
that you're playing so far off normal it's not worth doing
anymore and it might be better to go back to the normal style
that you're used to and play strongest that way.
MIKE VALVO: From Garry's point of view or the computer's?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: From Garry's point of view.
MIKE VALVO: I would /KPH-P that to be happening. I expected him
to play c5 today, I didn't expect him to play what he did. And
that caused a quandary by the way for the journalists
upstairs. We told them it was the Pribyl Opening and didn't
want to call it the Pribyl, they wanted to call it something
more familiar like the Pirc, and I said, "But it's the Pribyl.
That's what it is. It's not something else." There's lots of
confusion upstairs about the things that Garry is doing.
They're trying to recognize a pattern in Garry's play. They're
not seeing Garry's -- the old Garry and they're not seeing it.
MAURICE ASHLEY: The question is, can the computer defeat the
human. Can the human keep off the computer. And the one
argument is that the computer -- if Garry were to play like the
human Garry Kasparov, the natural Garry Kasparov clearly his
feeling is that he'd be at a disadvantage. So he's taken on
another human strategy, that is, flexibility, and said, "I can
do something different. I can shoal you how human I am. I'm
not fixed the way you are, a program. I can change this, I can
do something different, something so alien to me that you would
not have guessed, and still beat you."
Isn't this sort of the whole point that makes Garry's point so
good, that that's what he should be doing?
MIKE VALVO: That's what he's doing. He's trying to emphasize
computer strengths -- human strengths, rather. Human strengths
are recognizing patterns. Computers are not good at
recognizing the patterns in this kind of situation. Generally
speaking, yes, they are. But in chess there's so many
different patterns that they don't foresee way on down the
line. And that's what he's doing in this game. He's
threatening a lot of different breaks. I didn't expect the f6
break, but he's threatening the c5 break. He's got a solid
kind of position. He wants to play the computer where the
computer is weak. I was hoping to see Garry play where he is
strong, very creative and swashbuckling kind of chess. But
he's saying I tried that in game one of last year and I didn't
do well. I don't want to do that again. I want to see if I
can beat him in other ways. They've got to prove to me that
they can play these /POLGSZ before I'll come out and play him
that way."
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